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Grateful Dead Live at Winterland Arena on 1974-10-17

Set 1

The Promised Land
Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodeloo
Black Throated Wind
Friend Of The Devil
Jack Straw
El Paso
China Cat Sunflower ->
I Know You Rider
Me And My Uncle
It Must Have Been The Roses
Weather Report Suite Prelude ->
Weather Report Suite Part ->
Let It Grow

Set 2


Set 3

Scarlet Begonias
Big River
Ramble On Rose
Mexicali Blues
He's Gone ->
The Other One ->
Spanish Jam ->
Mind Left Body Jam ->
The Other One ->
Stella Blue
Sugar Magnolia (MISSING)

Casey Jones (MISSING)
U.S. Blues (MISSING)

Collection GratefulDead
Band/Artist Grateful Dead
Venue Winterland Arena
Location San Francisco, CA

Source SBD > 16track> 2track for Jerry >? >
Lineage Black Maxell UDII reel tape @ 3 3/4 ips.>Akai GX 636>Apogee Mini Me(24/96)>Apogee mini DAC(monitoring/mastering)>Lynx One soundcard>Wavelab 5.0>DVD, DVD-Audio 2496>DVD-A Explorer>Wavelab 6.1>GEMS Edit Station Weiss Saracon for SRC POWr3 Dither 16bit/44.1 kHz, TradersLilHelper for FLAC 8
Transferred by Matt Smith and Jamie Waddell


Edit notes: These reels have been mastered for better tonal balance. Phil's bass was the center point of this multi track mix down. It was a tad too much to begin. A different feel than the standard vault reel master reel. The highs originally were VERY buried and or decayed and i returned them to a better position in the mix, albeit still a tad distant. This edit was in the works for a couple of months. Lots of our ears LListened as we came to the best balance for the edit. I'm sure you will enjoy.- j.w.

Matt said... "I think people will love the 10-17-74. I would put the lineage as 16track>2track for Jerry>?>R(WB@3 3/4 ips.)>DVD/CD. These 10/74 reel copies made by Will back in 1979 were most likely 'work tapes' used by Jerry for production work for the "GD Movie". all the following shows are complete including all the 'seastones' sets so more cool things on the way. Yes, i know there have been multiple versions of these shows but IMHO, these are unique versions that were Jerry's own copies that were dubbed from by Will. Basically these versions were never copied by anyone in will's circle since everyone already had them via rob bertrando and no one at the time bothered to investigate them. Remember, this was 1979 and the GD were still a great behemoth of a touring machine so everyone was more concerned with taping new shows. There is no cassette gen with these as they were straight reel copies that i know for sure so these 24 bit versions esp. are really nice. Whether Jerry had a master of a 2 track mixdown or a copy will never be known for sure but these really do sound fantastic regardless. Much more of a "being there" feeling IMHO.. ENJOY!! ....Stuff from the debbie stash is hard to explain at times and nailing down exact lineages is even harder. either way they all sound fantastic!!! It was the kind of deal where Will suddenly found out about all these reels/cassettes that Jerry "left" there so he copied as much as he could w/o any concern of the exact source. There were TONS of stuff everywhere strewn all over the house.."

a **GEMS** Production May 2009

-Complete Seastones
-listen for a fan scream for mexicali before they play a note of it
-Last two minutes of rider patched with alternate aud
-Huge Thanks to Matt Smith for the Transfer work and Deadication.
-big Thanks To Todd Evans for Project GEMS...


Reviewer: Evan S. Hunt - - April 13, 2013
Subject: It Was Always Heavenly Gone

You can hear it (the perpetual "chirping" on this recording and all others of this night) seconds into Promised Land -- a recording mic rigged to Bobby's onstage amp stack falls down undetected near Billy's kick. It stayed there, inexplicably, for two nights until a roadie found it lying there askew from its moorings. It shall plague both the hall mix and the eventual 16 track mix -- forever. But we, us and the band, learn to live with it.

I was an attendee of this show and I certainly noticed it on this night and the next one, but it was just all part of the Grateful Dead Wall of Sound experience. You never knew what would happened anytime you crossed that line.

Years later, after multiple discussions with multiple sources I have finally determined that it was the fallen mic that totally ruined much of the band's attempt at capturing a perfect recording out of five nights.

Nun The Less, where the music of the GD perseveres, we persevere right along with it. Where they have led us we have followed. We all collectively licked our wounds and forged on, because bad as it ever got it was always heavenly gone.
Reviewer: Shad-O-Vision - - August 19, 2012
Subject: Promised Land; babies crying on stage
I've read a couple of times at various places online, none of which I'll go and find and link at the moment (I'll leave that to the reader), that the BIG boom during the opening Promised was Keith's piano top that suddenly came crashing down.

I do know this, though: listen to Seastones, Phil and Ned's weirdness, and you'll hear a baby wail. It's most active from about 3 to 5 minutes in. Turn it up :) Is that Zion?
Reviewer: oh_uh_um_ah - - May 19, 2009
Subject: The GRATEFUL DEAD "Live On Stage" October 17, 1974, at the Winterland Arena, San Francisco, CA, U.S.A.


"Super 74' Soundboard".

Beware, the first song has some right channel issues, sounds like a blown speaker on stage. It's fixed after the first song.

I highly recommend adding this show to your 1974 GRATEFUL DEAD collection.

Is that Jerry playing his white strat? Is that Bobby playing "staccato" on China Cat?

In the pocket performances of our favorite songs from 1974.

Wonderful, clean, clear, soundboard of a relaxed performance before the hometown crowd at Winterland in 74'.

Ned Lagin (pronounced: lay-gin)& Phil Lesh doing "Seastones" is a real treat. One of the best performances of Ned's work that I've heard on the Archive.

Thanks to Matt Smith & Jamie Waddell for the transfer and thanks to Todd Evans for Project GEMS

WTTW: The man "giveth" and the man "taketh" away, so get it while you can get it while it's free, get it now or you'll be sorry...

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Eat, Drink, Be Merry and Listen to the GRATEFUL DEAD.

Thanks for the LOVE from 1974.
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